Learning to Living Together is a four-part podcast series about inclusion and school integration in the twenty-first century. Across the four episodes, we delve into the meanings, tensions, and practices of integration and inclusion in today’s context.

In this podcast series, Equity Fellows Dr. Sarah Diem and Dr. Federico Waitoller bring together their expertise in racial and socioeconomic integration, inclusion of students with disabilities, and their intersections with race to grapple with the following questions: Are we still longing for racial integration and inclusion? What does integration and inclusion mean to different stakeholders? Are we still dreaming about the project of learning and learning to live together? Is it still feasible? What will this project look like in 2023 and moving forward?  

In the podcast series, we hear from individuals with various backgrounds, experiences, and engagement with social struggles about their perspectives on inclusion and integration. Guests include:

• Seena Skelton – Director, Midwest and Plains Equity Assistance Center; Director of Operations, Great Lakes Equity Center
• Terah Venzant Chambers – Professor of Educational Administration and Associate Dean in the Graduate School, Michigan State University
• The Donato-Sapp family – Helena Donato-Sapp, Jeff Sapp, and Sino Donato
• Peter Piazza – Director of School Quality Measures, Massachusetts Consortium for Innovative Education Assessment

Different understandings and terms are used to describe similar longings. Terms such as inclusion and integration, and inclusive education are used depending on individuals’ social struggles and what kind of social group they may be discussing. In episode one, we hear from our interviewees as to how they define integration and inclusion, and how their experiences and identities impact these definitions.

Check out other episodes:

• Episode Two
• Episode Three